THE DIRECTOR INTERVIEWS 
Friday, May 16, 2008
GEORGINA RIEDEL, HOW THE GARCIA GIRLS SPENT THEIR SUMMER
Like her friends Azazel Jacobs, Gerardo Naranjo and Goran Dukic, Georgina Riedel is a distinctive new voice in American independent filmmaking. A first generation Mexican American who grew up in Arizona, Riedel studied film at the University of Arizona where she made a series of shorts. She gained her MFA at the American Film Institute, where she became friends with fellow directing students Jacobs, Naranjo and Dukic. Riedel's graduation film, One Night It Happened (2002), a black-and-white romance about a one night stand starring Jacobs, played at festivals worldwide, and in 2005 she produced Jacobs' second film, The GoodTimesKid. Riedel's debut feature, How the Garcia Girls Spent Their Summer, which is released this week, premiered at Sundance in 2005 and is based on an idea for a short she had while still at AFI. The plot revolves around three generations of the Garcia family, teenager Blanca (America Ferrera), her divorced mother Lolita (Elizabeth Peña) and her headstrong grandmother Doña Genoveva (Lucy Gallardo). Over the course of a hot Arizona summer, the three “girls” flirt with the possibility of love and sex, each both tentative yet passionate in her own way. Beautifully shot in 35mm, Riedel's film captures the rhythms of small town life and excels particularly in the portrayal of its female leads. The film's protagonists are complex, strong-minded and sexual, and even in the case of 70-year-old Doña Genoveva this last trait is never sensationalized, but is treated with a rare sensitivity and humour. Filmmaker spoke to Riedel about the real-life inspiration for the film, tackling old-age sexuality, and her lack of desire to have a penis. DIRECTOR GEORGINA RIEDEL TALKS WITH ACTRESS AMERICA FERRERA DURING THE SHOOTING OF HOW THE GARCIA GIRLS SPENT THEIR SUMMER. COURTESY MAYA RELEASING. Filmmaker: I believe the idea for this film stemmed from a question you asked your grandmother. Riedel: I asked my grandmother what she wanted for Christmas, and I was only half listening because I fully expected her to give her regular line, “Oh, nothing, just you being around is enough.” But then I hear her say “A car.” I thought I heard wrong, but then she said it again, “I want a car.” My grandmother is no longer with us and I kind of regret not having the foresight to ask “Why do you want a car? Where is it that you want to go?” I had all of these questions, but I was so surprised that I didn't ask them to her. But I asked them to myself, and that night I wrote a treatment. In my mind, my grandmother got a car, she didn't know how to drive so her gardener would teach her, a love affair would bloom. To this day, I still don't know what she wanted with a car, but part of me felt that it must have had to do with wanting to go someplace and not wanting to be so confined to this one place she'd been at for the past 30, 40 years. Filmmaker: What was the process of writing the script like? Riedel: After graduating, I decided I wanted to write a feature and went to stay in Mexico for a couple of months because I really wanted to get away and focus on this. Everything came together except for the Lolita storyline. I really couldn't relate to her character: I've never been married, I've never had children, I've never been divorced. [laughs] I had such a hard time to imagine what she would do or what she would say, and I have to relate to characters in order to figure out what they're going to do. It wasn't until I thought, “Well, you've never been these things, but you've felt lonely at times,” that I had a breakthrough with the Lolita character. As soon as I had that little click, her story came together. Filmmaker: How difficult was it to finance this film given that it has an unconventional perspective? Riedel: My parents are the executive producers and they're the only people who believed in me enough to give me money to make a movie, period. My mother read the script and she's an amazing businesswoman so if she had thought the script was crap then she would have said “Move along.” I thought, “I can shoot this for $200,000 and then we're gonna put together the edit and somebody's gonna come along [with finishing funds.]” Even before we shot, we had a little interest from HBO but no one ever came forward with the finishing funds so it took me a year in post because my editor and I worked during the day. I ended up getting amazing people working on the film just because they loved the project and they charged me little to nothing. Filmmaker: The film looks like it had a much bigger budget, not least because you shot on film. Riedel: Part of the reason I think it looks so fantastic is because my D.P., Toby Datum, is really phenomenal. We're so on the same wavelength. It was one of those great working experiences. I'd never prior to that worked with a D.P. who was so entrenched in the story: the camera, the angles and everything we discussed had to do with benefiting the story. It was so nice to work with a D.P. who wasn't about making pretty shots. [But] it ended up looking beautiful. Filmmaker: This is a rare instance of a film from the perspective of women where it's not a chick flick nor are the women are objectified. It seems like you are giving your take on the world without tailoring it to the usual conventions. Riedel: Directing it, I felt like “This is what I'm going to do and this is my agenda,”and I was very much doing things that were true to myself and in keeping with the way I saw the world. But, at the same time, if you were to ask me what I think about the way women are portrayed by Hollywood films in general, I could just go on a rant. I think that this film was definitely a response to that. I wasn't politicizing the whole thing but it does anger me how women are portrayed in cinema, by the U.S. mainly. I'm a huge fan of Catherine Breillat and other than the fact that she always has her shocking endings (which she doesn't need), she does such a good job of portraying what it is for a girl struggling with her sexuality. It's so open and honest and I'd like to see that more here. Filmmaker: Your title seems to allude to that essay kids are supposed to write every fall about what they did over their vacation. Riedel: That's totally it. I love that where you have to answer how you spent your summer vacation, and I can even remember writing in cursive writing “How I Spent My Summer.” It's definitely a summer film from start to finish. I like how I used “Girls” rather than [just]“Garcias,” because a big question I had while writing the movie was “What turns a girl into a woman?” At what stage does it happen? Is it the clothes you wear? The high heels? Is it having sex? Is it falling in love? Is it just being confident in yourself? There's that strange age between 20 and 24 where you're not sure whether to describe yourself as a woman or a girl. I remember for the longest time it didn't seem natural to say “I'm a woman.” With Garcia Girls, what I realized is that you can be a girl at any age. For me, even though the grandmother had had a child, she'd never really become a fully-fledged woman, she'd never taken control of her sexuality or fully understood it or enjoyed it, and I felt that she was very on a par with the teenager. Whether you're 70 or 40, that thrill of the first kiss with someone new, the butterflies in the stomach and that excitement, those feelings are all the same. Filmmaker: Have you encountered greater difficulties in the film industry because the business is so male-dominated? Riedel: I'd like to live in a bubble and think that there isn't any difference [between the opportunities for men and women] whatsoever and I've had so many wonderful experiences where being a woman didn't matter and it was what your thoughts where, what your approach was and how you were on set. At the same time, unfortunately I've had some experiences where that's not necessarily true. I went into [filmmaking] knowing it was going to be difficult and if it's a little bit more difficult [as a woman] then maybe the journey's going to be worth it when you're finally able to do it on a more consistent basis. Are there times when I've thought “Would it be a little easier if I had a penis?” Yes. But do I want a penis? No, not at all. [laughs] I don't have any ambitions to be a man, I'm perfectly content being a woman and I just have to work harder. Filmmaker: Aside from giving a realistic view of the world from a female perspective, the film is also relatively unusual in the bold way that you tackle sexuality in old age. Riedel: I remember watching Harold and Maude when I was in college and while I enjoyed the whole movie I was completely shocked when we saw Ruth [Gordon] and the young guy [Bud Cort] in bed. I was not only shocked, but kind of outraged – I couldn't believe that they showed that. But years later when I was at AFI, I rewatched the movie and was in love with it from start to finish and was no longer outraged. I was like “Wow, there's something beautiful there,” and [the] question in my head was why had that scene disgusted me? I know it sounds really horrible, but there was something about that scene that repulsed me and I felt bad and wanted to understand why. The whole sexuality in [my] film was a response [my feeling that] I shouldn't have that reaction. The old people in the film are so beautiful and so sweet and I was sort of teaching myself along the way. Just because you're extremely old [laughs] doesn't mean you don't have those same feelings you did when you were younger. Filmmaker: Can you tell me about your experiences at AFI? I know you were part of a great group of filmmakers there. Riedel: I have to say, the best part for me of AFI was the friends I made. It was mainly a group of directors, Azazel Jacobs, Gerardo Naranjo and Goran Dukic, and we were all very supportive of each other. There's that friendship there and it's great that you're not in film school anymore but you still have people around you that think like you and who you can bounce ideas off of and who've gone through similar experiences. I recently called up Goran to ask “How was your release with Wristcutters?” because I'm getting closer [to this filnger. m coming out]. I can't speak highly enough of them and I really value our friendship. I find it really cool that although none of us has exactly broken into the big Hollywood system yet – and not all of us want to – but through sheer force of will we've been able to make movies, A lot of people in our year are still waiting for the call from the studio, “Here's your $20 million budget, go ahead make your movie.” I think early on, a bunch of us had a passion to make films and that was first and foremost. Filmmaker: What's the most embarrassing film you watched the whole of on a plane? Riedel: There are movies where you're on the plane and you've maybe avoided something when it came out and three years later you're watching all of it. One of them was Tomb Raider, but Angelina Jolie's so sexy, I didn't feel bad about watching that. There was something with The Rock that I specifically remember. Was it The Pacifier? I was pretty blah about it. It's funny because I just went to see Iron Man and one of the trailers was for Get Smart, which The Rock is in. When the trailer came on, some guy in the back was like “Whoooo!” I was like, “Oh my God, that guy is in love!” [laughs] It was so loud and so clear and so enthusiastic and it was for The Rock, which I thought was kinda funny. Filmmaker: When was the last time you burst out laughing on set? Riedel: In that scene in How the Garcia Girls Spent Their Summer where Elizabeth Peña and Steven Bauer are going at it in the car, I remember everybody having to hold their laughter. The first take, she fell down and we had a little mattress there but we all started busting up. We only did a couple more takes, but that was definitely excruciatingly hard. On one take, Elizabeth's leg was caught in Steven Bauer's pants. Filmmaker: Which film do you wish you had directed? Riedel: The Apartment I think would have been cool to do, Breathless would have been to cool to do, even something like Lost in Translation. One, honest to God, is [Azazel Jacobs'] The GoodTimesKid. I read that script before Aza made it and I was like, “Wow.” It's just so freakin' lovely.
# posted by Nick Dawson @ 5/16/2008 10:55:00 PM
Wednesday, May 7, 2008
NICK BROOMFIELD, BATTLE FOR HADITHA
Immediately distinguishable by his understated good looks, laid-back, drawling English voice and, of course, the boom mike seemingly always in his hands, Nick Broomfield is an iconic figure in documentary filmmaking, as well as one of the form’s most talented artists. The son of English photographer Maurice Broomfield and a Czech refugee, Broomfield went to a Quaker boarding school before studying law at Cardiff University, political science at Essex University and finally film at the National Film School in his hometown of London. Combining his interest in sociopolitical issues with filmmaking, Broomfield made his directorial debut while at university with Who Cares (1971), a short documentary about the slum clearance in Liverpool. Broomfield’s early films tackled racism, juvenile delinquency, and working class poverty and were often co-directed with his wife, Joan Churchill. His profile increased after making Driving Me Crazy (1988), the first documentary in which he was a prominent presence, and the following year he made his fiction debut with Dark Obsession, a thriller about the cover-up of a hit-and-run death by British soldiers. Over the past 15 years, Broomfield has had huge success making personality-driven documentaries such as Tracking Down Maggie: The Unofficial Biography of Margaret Thatcher (1994), Heidi Fleiss: Hollywood Madam (1995), Kurt & Courtney (1998), Biggie and Tupac (2002) and two films about the serial killer Aileen Wournos, Aileen Wuornos: The Selling of a Serial Killer (1992) and Aileen: Life and Death of a Serial Killer (2003). In 2006, Broomfield returned to narrative filmmaking with Ghosts, an account of the death of Chinese cockle pickers in England in 2004. He continues to blend fact and fiction in his latest project, Battle for Haditha, about the 2005 killing of 24 Iraqi civilians by U.S. soldiers. With a cast made up of ex-Marines and Iraqis, Broomfield’s film examines the events surrounding the killings from the perspective of Iraqi insurgents, Iraqi civilians and the U.S. Marines. It effectively utilizes a naturalistic, documentary style in presenting a balanced account of the massacre which humanizes the actions of each faction in an attempt to understand why these tragic deaths took place. Immediate and immensely powerful, Battle for Haditha is simultaneously sympathetic and critical of the actions of the insurgents and occupying troops but offers hope for the conflict with the idea that each side should attempt to understand the other. Filmmaker spoke to Broomfield about his shift to fiction filmmaking, the current political malaise and his aborted attempt to make a funny film about a tax office. DIRECTOR NICK BROOMFIELD TAKES A BREAK FROM SHOOTING DURING BATTLE FOR HADITHA. COURTESY NICK BROOMFIELD. Filmmaker: Before I started recording, you were saying that you are currently having to do a lot of commercials because of how much of your own money you sunk into Battle For Haditha. Broomfield: Well, I inadvertently ended up sticking my salary in it, which was pretty bad. I have this particular deal with Film Four where I pretty much keep the back end so I’m used to subsidizing the film and trying to pay myself back from the back end. There definitely will be a back end on this film, I just think it’ll take a lot longer than with other films. I’ve always found that quite a good exercise in a way, a good discipline – I did it with all my documentaries. Sometimes my budget is for five weeks and I end up doing it for 14, or however long it takes to make the film. You always have to try and make the film that is there rather than the film that fits in the budget, which is a good discipline for any filmmaker. It’s just that this has been a much bigger shortfall than I’ve had on my other films. Filmmaker: Did you go over schedule? Broomfield: No, we kept to the schedule but there was a shortfall of $1 million. I was slightly over-optimistic about how easy it was going to be to get it, so basically I’ve had to defray a million dollars pretty much myself, which is a lot of money. Filmmaking is a gamble and one of the prices of being an independent filmmaker is that you take on as little money as possible that will compromise your independence. When you get lots of people involved, their money always comes at a heavy price. Filmmaker: What lead you to make the shift from straight documentary to a mix of fact anf fiction? Broomfield: I just decided that I wanted to do a different kind of film. It’s taken what I’ve learned in documentary – which is how to work with real people who have an amazing story to tell – and blending that with a more structured storyline or script, with a beginning, a middle and an end. Because of the technological changes a new kind of cinema is possible, and that involves using real people and real locations and shooting in a style which is very much like documentary. In other words, long takes and editing in real time. It’s potentially a much more powerful cinema than we have at the moment and it could lend itself to action and comedy as well. I’m just playing around with it, really, but I’m sure that a lot of other people will start working in that form in the future. I think it will be an enormous and overdue change in cinema. It's an exciting future, actually. Filmmaker: How different was your preparation for this film from what it would have been for a documentary? Presumably both involve very rigorous research. Broomfield: I tend to do the research on the documentaries as I’m shooting the films. Normally I do a fair amount of preliminary research, but what I like most about documentary – and there are lots of different styles and ways of making them – is to have them being very spontaneous and a quest, rather than it being all sewed up with your beginning, middle and end all worked out. Why not go and make a feature film if you’re going to do that? So my documentaries are less researched than this film. On this film, I met the Marines from Kilo Company, spent quite a few days with them, met all the journalists, not only who worked on the Haditha story but journalists who had generally been covering the Iraq war. I then went to Oman and met with survivors of the massacre and insurgents and people who knew about the insurgency. It was probably a much more thoroughly researched film than one of my documentaries would have been at the outset. We wrote the script very much from that research. Filmmaker: How detailed was the script? How much room did you leave for improvisation and spontaneity? Broomfield: I would say that the overall structure of the film very much reflects the script that we had. The scene breakdown was pretty detailed as to what was to happen in each scene but the Marines and the Iraqi actors all brought a lot of their own experience to it. One of the problems of the tradition of writing scripts is that often the scriptwriter doesn’t know as much as real people who’ve lived it. He’s only in his Hollywood bungalow, or wherever, he hasn’t been to Iraq, he doesn’t know any Iraqis, he doesn’t know anything about Muslim culture, so a lot of it’s imagined. It’s a great luxury to have those people with you and it’s better for them to say “Actually, we don’t do it that way,” “We don’t say that,” “We don’t clear our house this way.” So you defer to them, which is very much like making a documentary, and I’ve always enjoyed that process of having a sense of the film you’re making but allowing the people to define it in the detail. Filmmaker: How much did let the action just play when you were directing? Broomfield: I certainly let the action play at the beginning because I’m fascinated to see what they’re going to do with it and sometimes they do things that are very unexpected and sometimes what they do is a damn sight better than what you had in mind. They surprise you. It’s bit like with a documentary: you allow those surprises to happen, which is the joy of making those films. It’s often the unexpected that is revealing and fantastic. And then I would define it more; often it’s cutting down dialogue. People tend to speak too much and they speak a lot of rubbish sometimes, so you say “Do the action, but don’t feel you have to talk so much. Just talk when there’s something worth saying.” Sometimes the first take’s a great one, sometimes it’s take 48. Filmmaker: There’s a scene in the film where the insurgents coach a young girl as she is giving her testimony on camera. Is this something you ever are tempted to do or need to do when making one of your documentaries? Broomfield: I would never do that. Maybe when I was a film student. Last night a young student asked me about ethics and I always think the litmus test as a filmmaker is to sit through your film without squirming. If you set people up, it’s just an uncomfortable thing. I don’t think you ever need to. If you pre-interview people, they will inevitably say things better the first time so then you try and coax them into saying what they said the first time and it never works, and you learn to shoot them the first time. Filmmaker: I asked you about that because some people try to make their documentaries totally unambiguous. Broomfield: Everyone got all upset about whether the Queen had walked in the room before or after [her infamous walkout in the BBC documentary A Year with the Queen], or whether the shot had been the other way around. That guy [BBC One controller Peter Fincham] resigned over it. I mean, let’s get real here: there are some issues that are worth getting upset about, like Tony Blair and George Bush lying to the whole world about why they were going into Iraq. That’s something worth getting into. Do I give a fuck about whether she had an argument before a shot was taken? No, I don’t care, and I think it’s all a storm in a teacup, it’s evading the big issues. We’ve lived in a decade of evading any real issues, and people in Britain and America feeling completely impotent to make themselves heard. So people seize on irrelevant things and address non-issues. The real issue is most of the electorate in both countries was against the war. We still went to war and we’re still fighting this war five years later. People have said we’re against torture, and we have an American president that’s saying waterboarding’s OK. I think people feel it doesn’t matter what they say, so many rules are being broken, they’ve lost power, they don’t have a political party that represents them anymore – it’s a terrible, dangerous apathy. That’s why all political films, not just the Iraq films, are doing badly. Any film that’s to do with anything vaguely political is doing badly because people feel impotent. Filmmaker: You write in your director’s notes about your hopes for what the film can achieve, but how can you overcome that Iraq movie apathy? Broomfield: One of the sad things about all the Iraq films that have been released by the studios – and I’m not including the documentaries in this statement – is that none of them have had any Iraqi characters in them, which is kind of telling. You would think one of the things is that we’d learn who some of the Iraqis are, what their culture is, how they see the world. That’s the way forward, but unfortunately none of the films have done that. I think that’s indicative of something. Around the time of Vietnam, there was a feeling that people could do something – it was power to the people, and people were demonstrating. It was a very political time when people believed that what they said mattered. There was the civil rights movement, there was all that political fervor, and this is the opposite to that. This is a period where two million people did march in London [in opposition to the war], but it didn’t make any difference. People think, “Let’s look at Britney’s tits instead.” Part of what a democracy is about is that people are supposed to be active and they feel that their vote counts and what they say matters and I don’t think there’s that belief anymore. Filmmaker: It’s very true that previous Iraq films have had a purely American focus, but this film is the exception to that rule. You break the situation down into the three factions and then sympathetically show each side of the story. Broomfield: Well, that’s how we move forward, a recognition of who your so-called enemy is – which in this case is the people we’re supposed to be liberating. [We need to show] a respect for their culture, a respect for their religion, their lives. Obviously, that hasn’t happened at all. Filmmaker: Over the course of making the film and recreating the Haditha massacre in Jordan, did you see any signs of hope? Broomfield: I think what cinema does – or can do – is stand back from the plethora of news reports and newspaper articles and give you a context in which to look at it. That’s what I hope the film will do really, but it also needs to be reflected in a change of political administration or direction or vision. Maybe after the election there will be a change, there will be a new vision, a new approach, and then people will be more receptive to actually engaging and working out what that way forward is and have more of an interest in who the Iraqis are. Filmmaker: What’s the worst job you’ve ever had? Broomfield: Making a film about a tax office which was supposedly to be entertaining and funny, and realizing that it was just the most boring place. It was in the days of the union film crews so I had an enormous crew and a cameraman who refused to use a zoom lens, so if I said “Go in tight,” he would actually walk up to the person and, not surprisingly, they’d stop talking. It’s the only film I never finished. We shot for two days and just said, “Look, it’s not going to happen.” Filmmaker: What’s your best piece of advice for aspiring filmmakers? Broomfield: To not wait for the money, to believe in the idea and borrow a camera and just go and shoot it. Filmmaker: Finally, what was the first film you ever saw? Broomfield: It was probably Charlie Chaplin, maybe The Gold Rush or something like that. My father had a projector and I remember he used to rent Charlie Chaplin films, so he was my hero. He was always somebody who managed to say lots of things that were worthwhile saying in an extremely entertaining and funny way (look what happened to him…), so I guess that’s something worth emulating.
# posted by Nick Dawson @ 5/07/2008 10:37:00 AM
Friday, May 2, 2008
GARTH JENNINGS, SON OF RAMBOW
WILL POULTER AND BILL MILNER IN DIRECTOR GARTH JENNINGS' SON OF RAMBOW. COURTESY PARAMOUNT VANTAGE.When you meet Garth Jennings, it is immediately apparent where much of the energy, enthusiasm and imagination in his films comes from. The effervescent Jennings, born in Essex, England in 1972, attended the Central St. Martin's College of Art & Design in London where he met Nick Goldsmith with whom he formed the creative partnership Hammer & Tongs. Though the pair have always collaborated closely on everything, over time Goldsmith has taken on production duties while Jennings now directs. The pair are most famous for their innovative and quirky music videos, such as Blur's 'Coffee and TV,' Fatboy Slim's 'Right Here, Right Now,' and REM's 'Imitation of Life.' After winning numerous awards for their pop promos and television commercials, the pair moved on to features and in 2005 Jennings directed the long-gestating movie of Douglas Adams' cult novel and TV show The Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy, with Goldsmith producing. Jennings' follow-up feature, Son of Rambow, is a project he and Goldsmith had been trying to get off the ground years before they were offered Hitchhiker's. Based on Jennings' childhood experiences, it is the 80s-set tale of Will Proudfoot (Bill Milner), a naïve young teen whose family belongs to a Christian sect, the Plymouth Brethren, and who is sheltered from modern evils. A chance encounter with school scamp Lee Carter (Will Poulter) introduces Will to the wonders of movies – and specifically Rambo: First Blood. His unlikely friendship with Lee (and their collaboration on a Rambo sequel) threatens to cause a rift between himself, his family, and the Brethren. A charming crowd pleaser with great performances from its two young leads Son of Rambow is smart, sweet and funny in its nostalgic recollection of Britain in the 1980s. Writer-director Jennings creates a vivid and colorful world for his young protagonists and, like them, shows so much passion for movies that it is infectious for the audience. Filmmaker spoke to Jennings about 80s movies, the pressures of making Hitchhiker's and playing a crackhead in Hot Fuzz. DIRECTOR GARTH JENNINGS WITH THE STARS OF SON OF RAMBOW, BILL MILNER AND WILL POULTER. COURTESY PARAMOUNT VANTAGE. Filmmaker: You have an extremely close creative relationship with the other half of Hammer & Tongs, your producer Nick Goldsmith. How exactly do you function as a team? Jennings: We met at art school 17 or 18 years ago, so we've been friends an awful long time and we've been working together for 10 or 12 years. We worked together on everything from the start and it was only as things started to go well that we realized that he suited production more than I did and I suited direction more than he did. And there's our third member, Dom [Leung], who became the editor, even though he's a director too – everyone can do all that stuff in their own way. We've always had a very hardworking ethic and for us the majority of the film is made in preproduction: I spent three months storyboarding Son of Rambow, then I went through it all with Nick and Dom, and prior to that Nick and I worked out the script together. I am technically the writer, but that's more because it came from my experiences and I brought the premise to the table and could join the dots. [Nick and I] worked on that outline together and he read every page as it came in and responded to it, so I feel like it's a 50-50 relationship. Filmmaker: From a practical point of view, what is it like to have the film so clearly defined in your head before you start shooting? Jennings: I just find it really relaxing, everyone knows what they're doing. Everything changes on set, as you know – the sun goes in, the guy hurts his foot... Someone's always hurting their foot, I don't know what that is. It's always like, “Where's so-and-so?” “Oh, he's hurt his foot.” And when they hurt their foot, you have to switch and find something else but if you've got this brilliant map that everyone, even the runners, know what they're shooting today, it's amazing how much energy and enthusiasm you can get from a crew. It galvanizes people when there's a common goal and it's OK to then deviate from that. Filmmaker: What sort of obstacles did you have in making the film? Jennings: No one would finance us. We couldn't get any financing and none of it came from the U.K. in the end. We saw everybody, absolutely everybody – most of them twice – over the period of about two years. [The reaction] mainly was “Boys, you're making a film that you say appeals to everyone. Well, how do we market to everyone?” Also because we'd done a big sci-fi movie it was like “What's this then? Surely more robots, puppets...” Luckily there's two of us, so we'd pick each other up, but it was really hard because it wasn't just being rejected, it was being told that you're absolutely wrong, that this will not work. There was one guy sitting there saying “Adults are not going to see a film with children in it,” and behind him on the wall was a huge poster of Billy Elliott. I remember thinking, “I've got a choice on this one: either I pick him up on this and tear a strip off him, or I just realize that this is just not the right man to be making the film with.” Filmmaker: So let's talk about your childhood and 80's cinema... Jennings: [puts on psychiatrist's voice] “Go back to your childhood...” Filmmaker: So, tell me about your mother... Jennings: [laughs] “What's your relationship like with your mother?” I do actually have officially the best mum in the world. She's brilliant, she's the business. She'd come on Friday with cakes to the set. She's amazing. It'd be a hallelujah moment for the crew. Why was I talking about that...? Filmmaker: I was asking about your childhood. Jennings: Oh yeah. Raiders of the Lost Ark, Star Wars... We got a great chunk of movies to grow up with. The first film I ever saw was Star Wars when I was five years old. It blew my head off, and from then on I loved films. But then First Blood came out when I was about 12 and it blew my socks off because it was the first film I'd seen that wasn't meant for my age group, and it was also a brilliant, brilliant film. We used to play in the forest every day in Epping and then here's this guy in the forest who's got a stick and a knife and he's taking on 200 men, he's sewing up his own arm – it was brilliant! Survival, a man on his own, a guy who has to outsmart the enemy and they're all after him and they're all unreasonable – that's how you think of adults when you're a kid. Even though it's a cliché, it's true. Even your parents, they're sort of the enemy, they get in the way of what you really want. It struck so many chords that my friends and I decided we should make our own film. It was sort of my production: we got my dad's video camera, even though we had no idea how to use it, and we made this action movie called Arran, Part 1. It was a tremendous hit! It was a day shooting, it was 10 minutes long, it was cut in camera. Filmmaker: That's quite an achievement at that age. Jennings: I didn't think so at the time. I thought it was cool, but I look back and I think, “Brilliant, we did so well.” It was so lovely because it was all my friends, my sister, my dad played the getaway driver for the terrorists who kidnapped the head of the M.o.D., who's me. The P.L.O had kidnapped me. We had no idea who the P.L.O. were. No idea. We'd heard this name on the TV. So the P.L.O capture the head of the Ministry of Defense and they hold him hostage, and it was in my mum and dad's shed which they doused with water (which was supposed to be petrol) and threatened to burn me alive unless they get the money and the terms they're after. My friend Arran comes to save me and burns them alive in a shed. That was our little film. My sister was the fiesty reporter going live to the scene. We had scrolling credits, a soundtrack. It was amazing, really, and so I just kept doing that. About eight years ago, I was talking to Nick about how great it was to be that age and not give a shit about the consequences, never worry about screwing up or whether what you were doing was stupid or if you were good at something, you just did it. Even though we liked the idea of kids making a film, it was more important to us to capture that lovely feeling we had. Filmmaker: How difficult was it on Hitchhiker's to not worry about screwing up? Jennings: Initially I turned it down because I wanted to make Son of Rambow with Nick. We were getting ready, starting to cast it and everything, but I grew up with Hitchhiker's and was a huge fan and when I read Douglas [Adams]' last draft of the script I thought, “This is amazing!” In terms of the outside pressure, the first thing I did was meet with all of [Douglas Adams'] family, especially his widow and his daughter, because they had to like us. There was no point in forcing ourselves on them, they had to like us and what we were doing. They did, so did his mum, so did everyone else, but all the people on the internet – who are either pro us or against – I don't know them, and I don't actually have to meet them. They can write their silly things, even if it's nice, but when you're making a film, I can't tell you how abstract that becomes. There's a guy knocking on the door saying, “We need to approve the molds for this thing by three o'clock or we're fucked,” or “The set's going up now and we've chosen the wrong lighting. Can we please go and correct it?” There is absolutely no time whatsoever to worry about [internet opinions], you're just trying to do this good thing. Filmmaker: How was it working with the kids in Son of Rambow? Obviously so much rests on finding the right child actors in a film like this. Jennings: Everything does, everything does. Most of the time it's hard to get young actors right, and it can be quite hard to watch when they're bad. So we took five months to find them, but when we found them they were perfect. They'd never acted in anything before. Well, one of them had been in a school play, but that was just as a munchkin in The Wizard of Oz. It was such a pleasure to have such genuine [kids]. They were self-confident, but still kids. They hadn't been to any acting schools, they were still themselves. They were quite happy to play and if you wanted them to cry, they weren't worried about not looking tough in front of anyone. On the second day of shooting, we were shooting the end of the movie in the cinema. I thought, “This is going to be too much for little Will Poulter sitting there.” I'm talking to him off-camera about what he's looking at and there's all these people sitting there in complete silence. He started to well up, tears start rolling down his face, and I was just thinking “Holy Jesus Christ, this kid is amazing! He has no idea, absolutely no idea how much he has just made my day!” They're also two of the nicest people I've met. Their enthusiasm - they're like, “Wow, we get to swing off a crane!” - is infectious to all of us. The crew had seen it all, they've been on The Bourne Supremacy for nine months, they've done it all, but these children reminded them why they got into it in the first place. Filmmaker: If you could travel back in time and be able to make movies in a time and place of your choice, where and when would it be? Jennings: I think I'd probably do well in about the 1950s, around the time of The Attack of the Killer Tomatoes and things like that, films where “We don't care if we can see the strings.” I'd go to the Ed Wood era and try to make some ludicrous monster movie. Filmmaker: When was the last time you wished you had a different job? Jennings: When I saw the White Stripes playing live. I know the guy who owns their record company and he invited me to stand in the wings and watch them play live. I watched them and I really, really wanted to be in a band. I've always secretly wanted to be a rock star, and when I saw that I really wanted to be a rock star. I was really envious of that, and it wasn't because I don't like my job it's just because that looked much better at the time. Filmmaker: What's the strangest experience you've had during your time in the film industry? Jennings: I was a crackhead in Hot Fuzz. In the opening montage of Simon Pegg's character's reveal of his many talents, one of his talents was to shoot a crackhead who was holding a family hostage. And that's me. [I was] standing in for that, waiting all afternoon with sores all over my face with a Kalashnikov rifle, thinking “This is really weird, really, really weird.” Being in front of the camera is a lot weirder than being behind it.
# posted by Nick Dawson @ 5/02/2008 02:41:00 PM
Friday, April 25, 2008
YUNG CHANG, UP THE YANGTZE
A SCENE FROM DIRECTOR YUNG CHANG'S UP THE YANGTZE. COURTESY ZEITGEIST FILMS.At a time when the popularity of documentaries is at an all-time high, Canadian director Yung Chang is not only telling stories as compelling as his peers', but doing so with a truly cinematic sensibility that is often lacking in his field. Born in Whitby, Ontario, to first generation Chinese immigrant parents, Chang studied film production at Concordia University, graduating in 1999. He was also a student at New York's Neighborhood Playhouse School of the Theatre, where he learned the Meisner Technique. He directed the short film The Fish Market in 2002 and the following year made his documentary debut with Earth to Mouth, a National Film Board of Canada commission that chronicled the existence of a Chinese immigrant farmer in Canada. The film won prizes at a number of film festivals including Rencontres Internationales du documentaire in Montreal, the city where Chang is currently based. Like Earth to Mouth, Chang's latest film, Up the Yangtze, sees the director drawing on his cultural heritage as a source of inspiration. The documentary takes as its subject the Yangzter river's Three Gorges Dam Project, a symbol of Chinese progress – and the flooding and eradication of whole towns that is a result of this "step forward." The film focuses on the lives of two young employees working on a Yangtze “farewell cruise” (to see towns before they are submerged), shy Yu Shui (“Cindy”), a studious but impoverished girl whose family home will soon be lost to the rising waters, and Chen Bo Yo ("Jerry"), an arrogant middle class teen intent on making his fortune. Chang ably balances the different elements in the film, making it both epic in its depiction of the changing countryside and intimate in the tender way it depicts its inhabitants. He offsets the tragic story of the Yu family with Jerry's almost comic subplot and never takes us too far beyond these personal perspectives, resisting the temptation to make some forced grand argument out of their lives. Filmmaker spoke to Chang about his experiences filming in China, the future of documentaries and the meaning of “Chinese time.” DIRECTOR YUNG CHANG DURING THE FILMING OF UP THE YANGTZE. COURTESY ZEITGEIST FILMS. Filmmaker: I believe you got the idea for the film on one of the “farewell cruises” on the Yangtze in 2002. Chang: That was the first time I went to the Yangtze River, and that particular trip was with my parents and my grandfather. It was a very different context to be traveling with your family but also to be slightly aware of what you're about to embark on. I had a video camera with me and I filmed a little bit of that trip. That initial process of taking that boat was, for me, sort of cautious and what I was really inspired by at that moment was to tell a story much more about the culture of tourism and the tourism of culture, but it became much more over the many years that I was developing it. Filmmaker: How did you first make contact with your subjects in the documentary, because at the start of the film they have not yet started working on the cruise boat? Chang: The timeline worked very well. I found them in March 2006 through the recruitment process, when the ships go to look for new employees they go to all the local rover towns. They canvas at the high schools and kids will sign up for interviews. So Yu Shui signed up, Jerry signed up. I was with the managers during the signing up, so it was sort of a natural casting process where I could filter through who I wanted to have as my main subjects. Through that process I found Yu Shui, and then went back and found the family. The kids weren't scheduled to go onto the ship until summer, and I followed that natural timeline so I had the timespan between the winter and the summer to work with the family at their home base. Filmmaker: How much time did you spend building trust and getting to know the family? Chang: A long time, I would say a few months. Right from the get-go in March I went to the family home, spent time there and didn't bring a camera. I explained what I was trying to do and I think the family looked at me as a mentor for Yu Shui, because she would be leaving home for the first time. They looked at me as someone that would be there with her during that process, so that was a special relationship. Something that I learned along the way was that in order to not exploit your subjects you have to make them aware that you're in it for the long term. In order to make that relationship work intimately, and for the camera to have that emotional intimacy, you have to maintain that connection. Even to this day I'm still in touch with the family, and Yu Shui calls me her big brother, so that was important. Filmmaker: It seems like you had a planned narrative arc for the film going into production. Chang: Right. I'm pretty consciously driven by telling a narrative story and I think that the timeline for the film had this built-in structure where I knew that at some point the home was going to be flooded by the river, so everything seemed to reach to that moment. Then I had that special arc of seeing the transformation of Yu Shui on the boat and the sudden, unexpected things that happened along the way. And then what happened with Jerry, and how that complemented within the general story structure. Having lived in Chongqing and shot the film for a year in that location, I think you really get a sense of the rhythms and patterns of how things develop. Filmmaker: How much did people try and affect you in the way you portrayed the impact of the dam? Chang: It happened a lot, even within my Chinese documentary film crew. I'm considered an “overseas Chinese,” but I'm an outsider. That position is unique: being Chinese, being Western-raised but having that sensibility of speaking Mandarin. It put me in a weird position to be able to have this debate with my crew, and it even filtered through to the very frontline level where my crew were wondering why I wanted to show negative aspects of China, which I firmly disagreed that I was doing. I think by the end of the filming, my crew were on my side, they could really see that the story of a peasant family spoke volumes to the kind of social conditions of this new progress in China. If you just peel back that first layer, there are many people that are discontent and it was not uncommon for me to be driving from location A to location B and run into a protest on the highway, protests against corruption or land development, so that was eye-opening. We would arrive in towns and villages and pull out our camera and people would think we were from the local TV station, so they would come up and tell us about some kind of local corrupt official or some restaurant selling bad food. It was interesting to be in that position. Filmmaker: In regard to the Chinese authorities, how careful did you feel you had to be in terms of what you said and filmed? Chang: The greatest irony of how it works with the Chinese is that even though there are plenty of documentaries made by Chinese filmmakers that criticize their own social issues – I'm thinking of To Live Is Better Than To Die or some movie by Wang Bing – these films are loaded with commentary, but the minute that an outsider steps in to make that same sort of point of view, they're going to be lambasted for that. But I think I was careful and I definitely tried to play up the fact that I'm Chinese, I'm an overseas Chinese, that I do have that connection to seeing both perspectives, the Western and the Chinese. Filmmaker: Has the film played in China? Chang: We've shown the film to a salon environment of filmmakers and producers and it went very positively. We're even looking at the potential of having the film slightly recut for a broader audience in China, perhaps broadcast it. We're working with a Chinese producer to do this. Filmmaker: What kind of cuts would you have to make? Chang: I think any sort of comment about the central government would have to be taken out. I think I may have to lose the antique dealer [scene]. I think that's the most politically charged sequence in the movie and unfortunately that would have to go. I think what's awkward is that it's so emotional. Filmmaker: So many documentaries prioritize capturing certain footage and proving certain points ahead of being cinematic in their presentation, but this is not the case with your film. Was having that cinematic quality important to you? Chang: That was really, really important. I had created a banner in our production office that said “Cinema Not Documentary.” It was really important that we maintained this idea of capturing something that was emotional on a human level, that was not going to be didactic and try to explain something or give some sort of background information. The dam structure for me only exists as a sort of abstract monument in the film and I didn't want to fill it with statistics. That just wasn't the point of the film so I made sure that we focused on the human aspect. Filmmaker: How did Jerry and Yu Shui and her family respond to seeing the film? Chang: When I finished the film, the first thing I did was go back to China and show the movie to all the participants. Yu Shui was very emotional when she saw herself depicted in this documentary. You can imagine. She said that through her film she was able to see her fate and her destiny, which is quite a heavy thing to say. As a result, she decided to leave the cruise boat and go back to high school, so our production company stepped in to pay for three years of her high school tuition and now we've started a fund for her family. We've raised quite a bit of money now and we're continuing this fund and branching the fund out to help other migrant families of the Three Gorges project. Hopefully we're going to lift the family out of their poverty, buy a plot of land, start a business. Filmmaker: What about Jerry? Chang: I'm not worrying about Jerry. Jerry saw the film and in very typical Jerry fashion he wished that the story could have been more focused on him. [laughs] He said that he wanted a greater storyline. All the tragedy that occurred and his arrogance in the film went completely over his head. [laughs] He subsequently asked us about applying to the Dramatic Arts Institute in Beijing and perhaps pursuing a career in acting, which would be very interesting. [laughs] Filmmaker: Will the current interest in documentaries last, or is it just a fad? Chang: Well, I think what's interesting is that it'll last and I think it's because the definition itself is being explored right now. You've got films all over the place like Behave, a Brazilian film. It's about the judicial system in Brazil and [the director] wasn't allowed to film the prisoners or the children that were under trial, so she filmed the judge and the conversations between the court and then she reversed the camera and filmed kids portraying being on trial. There's a very natural feeling in the documentary. In fact, it questions documentary, and I like that. I like films that are pushing those boundaries. Even Jia Zhang-Ke’s Useless is very good, one of these narrative or non-linear documentaries that border between fiction and documentary. I think that's where things are going. And Herzog does it too, so I like that. Filmmaker: When was the last time you cried in a film, and which film was it? Chang: Last night I saw a movie by a Malaysian director called Flower in the Pocket. It won the top film at Pusan. I just met the filmmaker, he's a little elfin guy, 27 years of age and he made this movie with a mini DV camera. It's completely raw, the sound is horrible but the story of these two kids (it's about young brothers) is absolutely heart-wrenching. There was a moment that reminded me of my relationship with my brother and that brought tears. I cry a lot in movies. [laughs] In fact, I feel like if you don't then something's not right. Filmmaker: Do you always try and get into the theater early enough to watch the previews? Chang: Well, I'm a bit of a stick, if I miss five minutes of a film I'm very upset so I try to get there early. But because I'm from Montreal and work on Chinese time as well, I'm always a little bit late. [laughs] I always arrive somewhere between the previews and the beginning of the opening credits but I missed the first 10 minutes of There Will Be Blood. I heard I missed the film, basically, so I need to get back into the theater to see it again. Filmmaker: Can you explain what being on Chinese time means? Chang: It's kind of arbitrary. Living in the South of China, you don't pre-arrange things: when you call somebody on the phone there are no answering machines or voicemails, you have to talk directly to the person. I think Chinese time is something that is very... inexact. Filmmaker: In The Visitor, one of the characters talks about being on Arab time, which I believe involves being about an hour late for everything. Chang: Well, Chinese time is not late time, it's just “you don't know if it's going to happen” time. [laughs]
# posted by Nick Dawson @ 4/25/2008 01:35:00 PM
Friday, April 18, 2008
SCOTT HICKS, GLASS: A PORTRAIT OF PHILIP IN TWELVE PARTS
PHILIP GLASS IN DIRECTOR SCOTT HICKS' GLASS: A PORTRAIT OF PHILIP IN TWELVE PARTS. COURTESY KOCH LORBER FILMS.Best known for his fiction films, Scott Hicks has returned to another form in which he has also distinguished himself: documentary. Usually identified as an Australian, Hicks was in fact born in Uganda and lived in Kenya until the age of 10, before his family moved to England and then Australia. He studied English, Drama and Cinema at Flinders University of South Australia, and made his directorial debut the year of graduation with the ultra-low-budget drama Down the Wind (1975). After working as an assistant director for the remainder of the 70s, Hicks returned to directing with the road movie Freedom (1982), the kids' film Sebastian and the Sparrow (1988) and the true-life heist thriller Call Me Mr. Brown (1990). He had notable success with his documentary series The Great Wall of Iron (1989) and Submarines: Sharks of Steel (1993), both of which gained record-breaking ratings on U.S. television. In 1996, Hicks had his breakthrough success with Shine, a biopic of pianist David Helfgott which won an Oscar for its lead, Geoffrey Rush. Since then, Hicks has written and directed two literary adaptations, David Guterson's Snow Falling on Cedars (1999) and Stephen King's Hearts in Atlantis (2001), and last year he remade the German hit Mostly Martha as No Reservations. Like Shine, Hick's latest film Glass: A Portrait of Philip in Twelve Parts is a compelling portrait of an enigmatic musical genius. Commissioned to mark iconic composer Philip Glass's 70th birthday, it captures 18 months in his life as he puts his seemingly boundless energy into a symphony, an opera, several film scores, and performances both as a solo pianist and with his ensemble. In addition, Hicks is there to document Glass' family vacations, visits to eminent friends (such as artist Chuck Close) and his multi-faceted exploration of his spirituality. Hicks’ film is respectful and never invasive, yet Glass is sufficiently open and uninhibited that we get a genuine insight into his life, and come away feeling that we know the artist, though the man remains somewhat obscure, perhaps even to Glass himself. Filmmaker spoke to Hicks about returning to his filmmaking roots, editing over the internet, and watching The Red Balloon at a drive-in in Kenya. DIRECTOR SCOTT HICKS, FLANKED BY ARTIST CHUCK CLOSE AND PHILIP GLASS, DURING THE FILMING OF GLASS: A PORTRAIT OF PHILIP IN TWELVE PARTS. COURTESY KOCH LORBER FILMS. Filmmaker: What was the first contact that you had with Philip Glass? Hicks: It was actually when I was editing Snow Falling on Cedars back in 1997 or '98, and I was using (as so many filmmakers do) some tracks of Philip's music as temp score to edit to. I made contact with his management just in case we wanted to actually license the music and Jim Keller, his manager, actually realized that I was a Glass fanatic and so he arranged for Philip and I to meet when we were in Los Angeles at the same time. We kind of hit it off together. Philip is a very easy person to get on with and I just found him wonderful, charming, delightful company, basically. Over the ensuing years we would get together from time to time when we were in the same city, be it in Sydney, L.A. or New York, and a friendship grew out of it. Filmmaker: What was your initial conception of the documentary? Hicks: I bought an HDV camera and I flew to Nova Scotia to where Philip was on vacation with his family. I just took a sound recordist and an assistant to help, and I thought I'd just film a lot of background material to put in the bank for when I had a proper crew and a budget and could do it the way I imagined. But something remarkable happened, which was that my presence in the room with this little camera was somehow so non-threatening and unintimidating that everybody responded as if it was just me being there. Even on the very first night, Philip started making pizza for his family and was talking about the eighth symphony he was working on. I realized that something special was happening, because how often do you get into that sort of intimacy with a major artist who's executing an enormous piece of work? And here he is talking about it when he's chopping onions! It's like a dream. At that point I thought,“Maybe this is more than just background material I'm getting.” Filmmaker: The intimacy of the documentary is what makes it special, so how much of that came from the existing closeness of your relationship with Glass? Hicks: I'm sure that had a lot to do with, but I think a lot of it is just Philip's nature. When I was filming him for the first time, he started chatting to me and I was thinking, “Wait a minute, I'm supposed to be a fly on the wall, and you're talking to me! What's going on?” [laughs] What he was doing was acting as if the camera was not there, because that's exactly what he's like. He's very easy to get on with, he's sociable, he's funny and I felt that this was a side of Philip that the world at large had not really had much exposure to. That's really what the mission of the film became, to capture the human elements of Philip's life. Filmmaker: How much of a technical challenge was it? I'm imagining it must be a long time since you were your own camera operator? Hicks: It's the first time I've ever done it and so it was enormously challenging, but oddly liberating as well. Although I've done a lot of documentary work in the past and I've worked very closely with cameramen in documentaries and in features, now it was down to me to find the moment, find the framings. I take a lot of stills so I'm used to looking through the lens, but to my delight I discovered I could find the shots you could never describe to someone unless you were looking through the lens. So it was a very exciting process for me. At times I would go, “Am I missing something?” When you're directing, you scan the horizon and you can nudge the cameraman over to something that's out of their vision, so I began to wonder if I was missing everything that was really going on. [laughs] It was like going back to my roots as a filmmaker, thinking back to early days when you really wanted to make a film, you got a group of people together and you went out and did it, regardless of how it was going to be financed or what it was going to entail. Filmmaker: Glass comes across as very unguarded, but there are a few moments where his family say things like “Hopefully you'll edit this out” and “Don't quote me on that.” Did you feel awkward leaving moments like that in the film? Hicks: I think when a sophisticated and intelligent human being is talking to a camera and they say “Don't quote me” and they're laughing, I don't feel there's any betrayal there. It's disingenuous to think that that's seriously going to end up on the cutting room floor. I think if you steal those moments or try to catch somebody off guard without them knowing that you're recording them – because there were instances where people asked us to turn the camera off. Filmmaker: What was the film like to edit? Hicks: Steven Jeffs, who edited the film, was an incredible collaborator and he stepped forward at a time when I really didn't know where I was going to start. He had edited commercials for me and this is his first long-form work. He lives in New York and I live in Adelaide, and we cut this first film together over the internet for a six-month period. He would cut and post his cuts at four or five o'clock in the morning my time, I would get up, I would download his cuts, we would link ourselves together with a piece of software which locked our two computers into perfect sync, and we would view the cuts and talk about them across the internet. And that's how we worked. Without the technology, and without his energy, none of this could have happened. It was something that just could not have been achievable a few years ago. Filmmaker: I believe Philip Glass did the music for your movie No Reservations, which you were shooting at the same time as this. Hicks: It was a bit like being woven into a double helix because I would be with Philip looking at cues and how they worked with the movie and I'd have my camera there on remote in the corner, thinking we might have an interesting conversation that might end up in the film and then I'd go to adjust the camera, and Philip would say, “Now look, Scott, what film are you making at the moment? Are you making No Reservations or are you making the documentary?” [laughs] In the end, I had to turn the camera off because I had to focus on the film, but it was an interesting point at which it would have been better to have someone else shooting. Filmmaker: What has Philip's reaction been to the film? Hicks: Naturally, it was complicated. My heart was in my mouth when I showed the film to him. I said after showing the film to Philip that the closest experience I've had of that was the time I showed Shine to David Helfgott — the main difference being that Philip wasn't clinging to my leg at the time. When you're showing someone a film that is about their life, it's a very exposing thing. We never see ourselves the way the world sees us, but he's a man lacking in vanity to a high degree so I don't think it weighs too heavily on his mind. Filmmaker: What was the first film you ever saw? Hicks: The Red Balloon, Albert Lamorisse. I was born in East Africa, I grew up in Nairobi [in Kenya] and my parents took me to the drive-in one night. I was probably five years old. I didn't see much cinema because there wasn't a lot in Nairobi and there was no TV, but that film (and subsequently the book) made a huge impact on me as a kid. Years later, I went to stay with Max von Sydow in Provence after Snow Falling on Cedars and we were wandering around his property. At one point he said “Oh, that's my neighbor, Pierre Lamorisse,” and it turns out it was the little boy [from The Red Balloon] who was Max's next door neighbor. I thought that was an interesting journey for me, 50 years later. Filmmaker: When was the last time you wished you had a different job? Hicks: When I was a restaurant photographer in 1976. [laughs] I had that job where you go around and photograph people in restaurants: you'd disrupt their dinner, make them sit in arrangements they don't want to, flash a thing in their face, rush away to develop the film, dry it with a hairdryer, spit out prints of it and then slap them back on the table to hit them with a huge bill before they left the restaurant. [laughs] I didn't enjoy that. That was my last attempt at having anything approaching a real job – since then I've only worked as a filmmaker. Filmmaker: Should a director always take risks? Hicks: I think it's always good trying to explore. Rather than falling back on how you've done something before, thinking “How can I do this different to the way I've done or seen this before?” Whether that's a risk or not, I don't know, but it's about trying to keep some level of challenge in what you're doing. Filmmaker: What's the strangest experience you've had during your time in the film industry? Hicks: I worked on a number of film crews for terrific directors in the 70s in Australia, as a production assistant, a 3rd A.D., a 2nd A.D. Very early on in that experience, before I really knew my way around a film set properly, the 1st assistant director took me aside one day and said, “Your job is to watch me and anticipate what I'm going to ask you to do. You have to know better than me what has to happen next.” I thought “Crikey!” The next morning we're out at dawn, we're shooting in this forest and I'm poised at the edge of the set, my eyes are riveted on him and I'm trying to read his mind. [laughs] He turns to me and he makes a gesture, and I'm completely startled, I've no idea what he's talking about but he makes it again and so I wave back. I turn and blunder away into the shrubbery in the dark, thinking “Oh God, what does he want? I've no idea! This is catastrophic, I'm going to be fired...” I'm blundering away from the set, completely lost, when I hear music and I think “Oh, they shouldn't be playing music, we're recording dialogue – that's what it is!” So then I started to work my way to the source of the music and I found somebody with a radio on back in the basecamp and said, “Turn that off, turn that off!” Then I rushed back to the set and got to the edge of the magic circle around the camera and [the 1st A.D.] just turned around and he nodded. [laughs] He was like some kind of sensei, and I'd learned something.
# posted by Nick Dawson @ 4/18/2008 02:18:00 PM

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